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Yan Bibiyan
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How to email JWs at the Brooklyn Bethel?
by ABibleStudent indoes any one know how to send emails to jws in the brooklyn behel or else where in the wtbts organization?
is the email address format [email protected]?
in this day of technology it would be very hard to believe that the wtbts doesn't use email to communicate with elders, cos, dos, branch, and bethels.
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Youtube JW Goes Against WT Admonition to Admonish Apostates
by PublishingCult inthis sister in the video below calls us "stupid", "slanderous" and nearly says, "libelous", but oh, darnit, it's not a word she is use to saying .
this lady has about 125 vids talking about the jw's, the wtbts and stuff.
she goes against the wtbts's admonition against having such a channel and against engaging apostates with admonition of her own to dole out.
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Yan Bibiyan
She's old news....Been jabbing back and forth with Propatechniques and LuciousVBoogieman for months on YouTube (which does not make her smarter even a tad more)...
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An Interesting Turn of Events
by headisspinning inbig development.... i got a text message from my sister at 1:45 am that said: "i just told (my other sister) that i am disassociating myself.".
we have been texting back and forth and i guess she told my mother the same thing.. memorial night seems to have been the clincher for her - she was very upset about three interactions with the elders and i guess she just had it.. we did talk a little bit that night and i very carefully mentioned some research i've been doing.
i didn't get into it too much.. but she basically agreed that like me, she believes in god, jesus and the bible but not so much the 'organization'.. she is going to be talking to my family more today.
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Yan Bibiyan
HS,
You mentioned your sis has some health problems. She can tell elders or nosy a-holes that she is under a lot of stress, even magnified by the health issues and she needs some time to get better. If they press, keep saying it is a private matter and I do not want to discuss it. And yes, I have prayed about it to Jehovah and the best thing now for me is to take some time off to help me get better.
This should get them off her back for a while, then if they insist on shepherding visits, tell them it is not the time yet when I am ready to come back. I am the only one who knows when I am ready to come back...
Then rinse and repeat.
Hopefully this will help.
As LWT says, keep her mouth shut (this mat seem harsh to say, but is the ONLY thing that would keep her out of trouble.
-Yan
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VIDEO. Violent bloody protest at the Memorial in Burgas, Bulgaria. 2011
by 3Mozzies inyou will need to be signed in to youtube to see it, or go to the bulgarian website (link below).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mupvrlg-i8g&.
beat the pastors of jehovah's witnesses and wrecked their prayer house.. story from a bulgarian website - google translated.. .
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Yan Bibiyan
One of the very few times I am ashamed to identify myself as a native Bulgarian...
The violence is inexcusable!!
The troublemakers are just that - troublemakers looking for a fight to pick. JWs happened to be in their crosshairs. The VMRO has a long history of moronic behavior and is used behind the scenes by other political parties for dirty political games.
In the beginnig, the protesters were shouting: "Turks, get out" (a reference to the ethnic turkish minority), WTF?! to them JWs, Turks, whatever didn't make a difference. Yes, they had the: "We don't want the Jehovah's Witnesses" posters, but I bet if you asked anyone of them who the JWs are and what do they stand for, you get blank stares.
JWs may spin this any way they want, it was not persecution. It was an act of senseless and needless violence.
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I was FORCED to go to the Memorial
by Yan Bibiyan ini am about 2 days late and at least $2 short to the party, but here is my story.. who forced me to go?.
well, i forced myself...why?
the keep your enemies closer thingy.... first off, a brief background.
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Yan Bibiyan
I am about 2 days late and at least $2 short to the party, but here is my story.
Who forced me to go?
Well, I forced myself…Why? The “keep your enemies closer” thingy…
First off, a brief background. Mrs. is a successful fader – her last KH attendance was the 2010 Memorial. Thing is, she is a fader moreso for convenience, than for any other reason. She doesn’t like the time commitment, having to get dressed up, drag the kids, etc. On the other hand, both of her parents (father Elder and a mother reg. pioneer) and her grandmother, to which she was very close, have passed away and I can see how it’s difficult letting go of the hope that she will see them one day. So wifey is a fader, but an unstable one…
Fast forward to Sat. morning. Her phone rings and, I guess no caller ID or whatever, the elder’s wife she “studied” with gets a hold of her. After the pleasantries, elderette asks the usual BS: “Where you have been, we’ve missed you, people are asking for you” blah, blah…Mrs. Says: “I’ve been busy with kids and life, etc.” OK please come to the memorial. Now Mrs. has to go. I don’t have to – never been a JW and knowing what I know, I don’t want to go.
But….
There is NO WAY in hell, I am sending Mrs. in for an indoctrination session, without being there to try and keep up with the mind control tactics.
Here are a few points of interest from the “experience”:
1) There are 5 elders in the congo, each one of them more than capable of doing the service, and I have seen them do pretty god job – not on contents, of course, on delivery – articulate, engaging, etc. The speaker this year was from Wallkill. Here is the kicker – he shows up wearing a bow tie. A FREAKING BOW TIE!! I have attended about 10 memorials over the last 15 yrs, few DCs, few CAs, bunch of meetings, read some watchtowers, flipper through Awakes – never did I see even ONCE an exemplary brother with a bow tie….to top it off, the joker was not the most literate speaker I’ve heard – transposed letters a bunch of times (as in “aks”, stumble, forgot the name of the congo, etc.).
My take - it was arrogance. He was different, he was from Wallkill an he made it known throughout the sales pitch.
2) We all know the time allotted for Jesus, vs. the time for Jehovah and the 2 class system. Blame Adam, praise Jehovah (for sending Jesus) and DO NOT PARTAKE. A total of no less than 15 mins was spent explaining why we should not partake. Speaker used a really cheesy “proof” that we are all meant for earthly life, just because we can imagine very well what it would be to live in Paradise Earth. Since the earthly utopia paints a better picture in our minds than heavenly life, earthly hope must be what we are meant for. WTF? Moron, of course we can imagine Earth better, this is the only place we’ve ever lived….
Also, the number of partakers was used to make a point: Last year 18 million attended, only 11,000 partook. See, such a small fraction. At the same time I want to interrupt and ask aloud: "Trend it for us brother, say for the last 4-5 years and explain why is the line going NE, instead of SE". Of course, I can't do that, not with Mrs. and kids by my side.
3) There were numerous comparisons with the anniversary of the Lord’s evening meal to marriage – how special it is that even celebrating once a year it still shows the significance of the event. Later, though, when comparing “exercising faith” (only showing up to the memorial once a year is not exercising faith, according to him), to marriage again, now we are supposed to do it daily, just like one would appreciate their mate daily, not just once a year. OK, you just told me the opposite of what you said 5 mins ago.
And all that marriage talk – the “brother" didn’t even have a wedding ring…I guess he is an expert in marital relations…
4) Salvation by works – his words: “Jehovah REQUIRES us to attend Christian meetings twice a week"!?! Ummm, hello! Scripture, please
5) Joining in will require us to make “adjustments” but the payoff is that Jehovah will erase our sins like “the teacher erases the wrong answer from the black board”. Again, scripture for having to stop celebrating B-days, New Years, join sports clubs, forego College, avoid your unbelieving family and friends, pound the pavement in pairs on your own time and dime, etc, etc, etc.. SCRIPTURES, PLEASE!!
There is more, I don’t want to bore you to death.
On the way out, the elder who was my “study” conductor chases after us and asks how things are, etc. are and I told him “Great! Never been better!” He: ”Oh good” (puzzled look, fake smile, whatever). Then he turns to Mrs. and says almost sternly: “We will be in touch with you later” WTF?! I know what it means, but I really wanted to clock him right there for talking to my wife like that, I wish it happened at a bar..I would have been downtown posting bail…
So, I guess Mrs. Has opened herself for an “encouragement” session – I don’t like it, but I may be able to somehow use it against them. It is for me to figure out. I love her so much to let her get sucked back into the cancer.
I may be asking specific related questions at a later time.
I know you are technically reading, but thanks for hearing out my ramble.
-Yan
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WT win ECHR case against Russia
by JWFreak inhttp://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view.asp?item=1&portal=hbkm&action=html&highlight=302/02&sessionid=55564621&skin=hudoc-pr-en.
press release issued by the registrar.
jehovahs witnesses of moscow v. russia(application no.
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Yan Bibiyan
I've said this before; let me repeat:
Russia is a different animal. Russia is the biggest post-communist country/society, a phenomenon never in existence before 1989, where the allmighty dollar is King.
Although subscribing to the European convention , Russia can care less what the ECHR thinks or decides. Russia is not a part of the EU (infact over 75% of Russia is in Asia) and it doesn't look like it will be come a member anytime soon.
The WTBT$ could have easily nipped it in the bud had they bribed high enough and big enough and still come out victorious (i.e Bulgaria and blood doctrine).
Now Brooklyn has to settle with bragging about some worthless unenforceable decisions and toot its own horn.
Good for them.
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July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard
by LostGeneration inthis is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).
avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.
(para 7, pg 16).
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Yan Bibiyan
Peoples,
Don't you love the fact that we have all but deconstructed and overanalyzed the whole mag here in 2 days, when the zombified dub won't even have to look at the articles until Labor Day (first Monday of September for folks outside of the US)!
That's what I call running ahead of someone's medieval vehicle
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May 21, 2011 - The Rapture Cometh!
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite inharold camping has promised that the rapture will be on may 21, 2011.. .
they've put it on this van that "the bible guarantees it", so it must be true!.
after all, would this face lie?.
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Yan Bibiyan
"Have you Heard the Awesome News? The end of the World is almost here!"
That's some great news, alrighty...
He looks like Fred Franz with AIDS.
No, he looks like he was raptured on May 21, 1102...
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The Disfellowshipping Arrangement is Total Double-Speak
by Pika_Chu ini am livid right now, so please understand i'm venting, and i don't mean to sound like a troll.
i just found out about the "simplified" wt and the koolaid edition reinforcing shunning.
this is really freaking me out, but, anyway, i just had an epiphany.
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Yan Bibiyan
Arrangement, my a$$.
Below is a copy/paste from another post of mine, with my views of the "arrangement":
....When speaking of an “arrangement”, one is conditioned to expect a conscious effort aimed for betterment.
In a musical arrangement for example, musicians put an effort to sequence, harmonize and combine musical instruments into a composition of sounds that best conveys the composer’s ideas and creative force. In a flower arrangement, the florist uses individual flowers to put together a visually pleasing bouquet. In a seating arrangement, chars are situated in the best possible way for the audience to experience the presented program….you get the idea.
Enter the Watch Tower.
Disfellowshiping and resulting shunning is arguably one of the top ten WT practices that rightfully draw heavy criticism. Making it an “arrangement” not only does not help soften the resulting blow, but actually adds an insult to the injury by trying to present this harsh and unbiblical act as some kind of love! Disfellowshipping results in the spiritual, social, and sometimes physical death of the disfellowshipped.
Lets see if used as “arrangements” other inhumane acts are more appealing:
The Nazi gas chambers could be: “Confined Space Chemical Asphyxiation Arrangement”
The Stalin firing squads could be: “Supersonic Lead Projectile Piercing Arrangement”
Iranian public hangings could be: “Gravity-Assisted Vertebrae Separation Arrangement”
Al-Qaida suicide bombers could be: “Shock Wave Tissue Separation Arrangement”
Death by lethal injection could be: “Barbiturate, Paralytic, and Potassium Solution Overdose Arrangement”
Sugarcoating does not change the underlying act; it makes it appear worse because of the added level of insincerity.
-Yan